{"id":30149,"date":"2026-07-03T15:34:18","date_gmt":"2026-07-03T15:34:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/biblelon.com\/?p=30149"},"modified":"2026-07-03T15:34:18","modified_gmt":"2026-07-03T15:34:18","slug":"the-founders-meant-to-keep-government-out-of-the-church-not-god-out-of-the-government","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/biblelon.com\/?p=30149","title":{"rendered":"The Founders Meant to Keep Government Out of the Church, Not God Out of the Government"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p>The 4th of July makes us think of our independence and freedoms. And legal battles in recent years over religious liberty in the U.S.A. raise serious questions about the freedom to worship in America.\u00a0So when our Founders came up with the First Amendment, were they trying to keep the government free from religion, or religion free from government?\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These days, the phrase\u00a0&#8220;wall\u00a0of\u00a0separation\u00a0between church and state&#8221; has come to mean keeping God or His believers from having a big effect on government and public life.\u00a0But that\u2019s far, far from what the Founding Fathers were thinking of when they were separating church and state.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Fear of an All-Powerful State Church Wed to the Power of the Government<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>They were afraid of what so many of the Old World countries had: a religion established by the state as its one true religion, that would tyrannically rule over the faith and conscience of every citizen.<\/p>\n<p>As the Providence Forum\u2019s Peter Lillback put it,\u00a0\u201cThey recognized having a monolithic church was a dangerous thing.\u201d\u00a0 That&#8217;s because it made the king not only their physical sovereign but also their all-powerful spiritual ruler.<\/p>\n<p>Before the Pilgrims fled England, Wallbuilders&#8217; David Barton recalled,\u00a0\u201cThe Pilgrims\u2019 pastor was executed because he made the statement that Jesus Christ is head of the church.\u00a0And the monarch said, \u2018Oh no, I\u2019m the head of the church.\u00a0You\u2019re dead.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Wouldn&#8217;t Allow a Church of America Like the Brits Had the Church of England<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Knowing of such terror and tyranny, AmericanMinute.com historian William Federer explained how the Founders felt: &#8220;Their big fear was the federal government was going to follow the blueprint of every country in Europe and pick one national denomination.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So what they meant by saying in the First Amendment\u00a0&#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion&#8221;\u00a0was that the federal government was banned from creating \u2013\u00a0or &#8220;establishing&#8221; \u2013\u00a0a national religion with the national government wedded to it.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They didn&#8217;t want to have a national, established Church of America like you have the Church of England, forcing people to believe something that they didn&#8217;t believe in,&#8221; said Jerry Newcombe, host of the radio program &#8220;Vocal Point&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat they said was, &#8216;We don&#8217;t want a state church here.\u00a0Consciously, therefore, they were separating the church from government,&#8221; Lillback said.<\/p>\n<p>But that was strictly to protect the churches and each believer\u2019s faith and conscience from the government.<\/p>\n<p><strong>All About Protecting Each American&#8217;s Conscience and Freedom to Believe<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Not only did the First Amendment say, &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,&#8221; but\u00a0it also said, &#8220;or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What they wanted was the freedom that we have in the Bible: the rights of conscience,&#8221; Barton said.\u00a0&#8220;And they didn&#8217;t want the state telling us how we could or couldn&#8217;t practice our faith.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Lillback said the Founders keeping government control away from faith meant, &#8220;Each of us has a right to be who we are before God.\u00a0It has been well said and it&#8217;s a classic statement of religious liberty that man is not free unless he is free on the inside.\u00a0 We have to have the freedom to believe what we believe.\u00a0That&#8217;s what the First Amendment protects.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>***Please sign up for\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><strong><em>CBN Newsletters<\/em><\/strong><em><strong>\u00a0and download the\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><strong><em>CBN News app<\/em><\/strong><em><strong>\u00a0to ensure you keep receiving the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***<\/strong><\/em>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8216;God: He&#8217;s on Both Sides of the Wall&#8217;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>And that\u2019s what Christian historian Eddie Hyatt explained Thomas Jefferson was talking about when he wrote the letter that first used the famous &#8220;wall of separation&#8221; phrase to a group of worried Baptists.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;He said that the First Amendment had erected a wall of separation that would protect them from any intrusion of the government,&#8221; Hyatt stated.\u00a0&#8220;In Jefferson&#8217;s mind, the wall of separation was a uni-directional wall, put there to keep the government out of the church; not to keep the influence of the church out of the government.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There was no antipathy towards the Lord in all of this, Lillback insisted, saying, \u201cBut the idea of God: He\u2019s on both sides of the\u00a0wall.\u00a0And He\u2019s welcome there.\u00a0And He should be.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Government Is\u00a0Reaching Over that Wall, Bossing Around People of Faith<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But today, there&#8217;s been a complete flip.<\/p>\n<p>Lillback said,\u00a0\u201cThose who once believed in this really high and impregnable\u00a0wall\u00a0of church and state, we now see the government reaching over that\u00a0wall\u00a0and saying, \u2018but don\u2019t preach that text of scripture.\u2019\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>STAY UP TO DATE WITH THE FREE CBN NEWS APP &#8211;\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Click Here Get the App with Special Alerts on Breaking News and Top Stories<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Barton added, \u201cAll of a sudden the government\u2019s regulating religious activities, which is what Jefferson said they would not do because of\u00a0separation\u00a0of church and state.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Hyatt lamented, \u201cThe Founders would be so distressed to see how that statement has been turned on its head.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As Newcombe explained, &#8220;They absolutely did not mean the separation of God and government, which is what&#8217;s often being practiced today.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>No One &#8216;Under Government,&#8217; but Each One &#8216;Under God&#8217;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Lillback encourages\u00a0Americans to remember what the nation&#8217;s Founders intended.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is a theistic government.\u00a0So God was not separated from government,&#8221; he insisted.\u00a0&#8220;So any interpretation of the First Amendment that takes God out of government is turning the whole story on its head.\u00a0Rather it was taking a formal state church out of the equation, leaving it up to each individual.\u00a0But all, as we still say, &#8216;under God.&#8217;\u00a0That was the view of our Founders.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>They believed a nation based on liberty could only stay free if its citizens were godly people.\u00a0As Barton pointed out, believers in God have their eyes on eternity, and it makes them practice self-control.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong>Knowing You&#8217;ll Answer to God Makes You Govern Yourself<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;When\u00a0you\u2019re God-conscious, you realize, \u2018ya know, I\u2019m going to have to answer to Him for what I do,\u2019 and it limits my bad behavior,&#8221; Barton stated.<\/p>\n<p>Newcombe added,\u00a0\u201cThat\u2019s something the Founders believed very strongly: that we\u2019re going to be accountable before God.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Hyatt said of those Founders, &#8220;They knew that they were creating a nation for a free people, but also for a virtuous people who would govern themselves from within.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>You need very little police power if people, because of conscience, will police themselves.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Green Bean Control Laws?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Self-control is what you need,&#8221; Barton explained.\u00a0&#8220;We can pass all the control laws we want.\u00a0But unless you control the heart, you&#8217;ll never control behavior.\u00a0I mean, I can kill somebody with a can of green beans. What are we going to do?\u00a0 Pass green bean control laws if somebody does that?\u00a0No.\u00a0It&#8217;s on the inside.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And the Founders knew to keep America true and free, they also needed the perfect law of a loving, all-wise God.<\/p>\n<p>As Lillback put it, \u201cThere was a clear understanding that the government needed to have an ultimate check and balance, even beyond the people that ran it and their elections. And that is the transcendent law of God.\u00a0\u00a0And so that is why when we look at our Declaration of Independence, there are four references to Deity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Going through the Declaration, Lillback laid them out: &#8220;&#8216;We&#8217;re endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.&#8217;\u00a0The laws of God and nature.\u00a0And it tells us there&#8217;s an appeal to the Supreme Judge of the world.\u00a0And, finally, a dependence on the Providence of God.\u00a0Four references to Deity.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Not Godless at All<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But then came the US\u00a0Constitution, which some say is a godless document because God isn\u2019t mentioned in it.\u00a0As soon as they were done with it, though, the Founders called for a day of Thanksgiving to God.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;They were not thinking &#8216;let&#8217;s get rid of God,'&#8221; Lillback stated.\u00a0&#8220;They said, &#8216;We have been given now a new Constitution, and now amendments that give us our freedoms.\u00a0And where do we turn?\u00a0We turn to heaven and thank God for this.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Now, if their intent was to get rid of God from government, boy did they miss their point,&#8221;\u00a0Lillback said.\u00a0\u00a0&#8220;Because they turned around and thanked Him for everything that they had. It shows the utter historical absurdity of &#8216;the godless Constitution&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Constitution&#8217;s Last Words Reference Christ<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>And God isn\u2019t really absent from the Constitution or its authors\u2019 lives.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey are not godless,&#8221; Lillback insisted.\u00a0&#8220;They are people who, at the very end of their work, said, \u2018In the year of our Lord, 1787.\u2019\u00a0 The very last words in the Constitution are a reference to Jesus Christ.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He concluded, \u201cIt\u2019s no surprise then that the ultimate motto is We are One Nation Under God.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>*<em>This story was originally published in July\u00a02020.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The 4th of July makes us think of our independence and freedoms. 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